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Welcome to the beginning of the #office channel.
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:34 AM
@Vailyer Come over here please ^_^
Vailyer - Today at 2:36 AM
Hello
Suracis - Today at 2:38 AM
Apologies for the change in date and time but thank you for your flexibility. To start off, I'm certain that the main point of this conversation is to explain why you've been banned. If it is not, please let me know.(edited)
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:41 AM
That and possibly come up with a more positive solution
Vailyer - Today at 2:42 AM
Yeah I think me and Kano know why we've been banned
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:42 AM
Well, can you please share why you believe you have been banned?
We'd like to make sure that everyone has their facts straight.
It helps to alleviate some tension that way.
Vailyer - Today at 2:43 AM
For apparent slander behind yc's 'back'
Well apart from the one week ban
That was different
Suracis - Today at 2:45 AM
I think the most important question that should be answered first is would you even want to return to the Consortium, considering what you've said about the Kohai, myself and the server itself?
Vailyer - Today at 2:46 AM
I havent decided
Suracis - Today at 2:46 AM
Then what would you like to get out of this conversation?
Vailyer - Today at 2:46 AM
I know KaNo said definately not but im not sure
And um
Isnt that a question I should be asking you ?
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:50 AM
We would like to determine if you're interested in following the rules and returning. If so, what would your behavior have to look like for that to happen. We don't want anyone to feel that they have been slighted or been a victim.
However, we do have to act in the best interests of the Consortium and the members.
The rules are in place for a reason.
Vailyer - Today at 2:51 AM
Can you send me the rules again?
Send it to me in code form
Thanks
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:52 AM
Why code?
Suracis - Today at 2:52 AM
Besides what Akira has mentioned, personally, I am not looking to get anything out of this conversation. This extended hand of ours is for you to do with what you will. Maybe you can even consider it as a gesture of goodwill. In code form? Nice.
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:52 AM
just curious
Danare - Today at 2:52 AM
Easier to read I think I'll drop the rules in few moments
Vailyer - Today at 2:54 AM
Thanks
Yeah its a lot easier to read
Than the assualt on the eyes of what was the rule page x3
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:54 AM
would a screenshot be easier?
Vailyer - Today at 2:54 AM
no thanks
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:54 AM
i'm not sure how to do code form and neither is senpai
Vailyer - Today at 2:54 AM
Just copy and paste
And put in three `  symbols
before and after
https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-
Part of the basic discord markdown
Also do you wanna continue or add squid as hes online now
As id like to hear what he has to say if its okay with him
or would you rather finish whatever we're talking about first
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:56 AM
'''This is a primarily a Yaoi [Male x Male] server and we will not tolerate any homophobic comments.
AGE REQUIREMENT:
1) All users must be 18 or older to join
2) Channels that state nsfw in their names can only have messages written by users who are 18+ years old with the exception of #nsfw-general 
3) If you mention that you are underage, you will be presumed to be under 18 years old and will be banned. If you tell us it was just a joke afterwards, it is too late(edited)
NATIVE LANGUAGE:
1) English is the conversational language in this forum. Foreign languages cannot be used in voicechat
2) Don't use other languages unless in DMs
3) We want to keep public content open to all members so they can participate(edited)'''
Danare - Today at 2:56 AM
wrong button
This is a primarily a Yaoi [Male x Male] server and we will not tolerate any homophobic comments.
AGE REQUIREMENT:
1) All users must be 18 or older to join
2) Channels that state nsfw in their names can only have messages written by users who are 18+ years old with the exception of #nsfw-general 
3) If you mention that you are underage, you will be presumed to be under 18 years old and will be banned. If you tell us it was just a joke afterwards, it is too late(edited)
NATIVE LANGUAGE:
1) English is the conversational language in this forum. Foreign languages cannot be used in voicechat
2) Don't use other languages unless in DMs
3) We want to keep public content open to all members so they can participate(edited)
DISCORD ETIQUETTE:
1) Do not spam, troll or flood any channel. You may chat all you want in designated channels but we will delete messages if necessary. Trolls will immediately be banned. If you are a troll, you most likely are not here for the same reason most of us are
2) Do not be rude to Kohai (Moderator) or Shitagi (Staff). If you have any problems [unfairness or complaints] with a staff member, do not take it upon yourself to resolve it by openly telling everyone. Please submit all issues to a Kohai (Moderator)
3) Do not harass or be rude to other users and no flame wars please! If you are not a Kohai (Moderator) or Shitagi (Staff), you should not be taking it upon yourself to confront or reprimand other members of the server, whether in channels or by DM. The correct action to take is to report the issue that you believe is questionable or breaks the server rules by messaging a Kohai (Moderator). We will investigate and handle all reported issues on a case by case basis
4) You can report to a Kohai (Moderator) if someone did not follow the rules. We will review the chat history and take action accordingly. When reporting, please provide screenshots if possible(edited)
Vailyer - Today at 2:56 AM
Wrong characters
Akira | ??? - Today at 2:56 AM
well that didn't work. rolls eyes and I think finish.
Vailyer - Today at 2:56 AM
Thanks Danare
Danare - Today at 2:57 AM
not finished
Vailyer - Today at 2:57 AM
Yeah there is a character limit
Danare - Today at 2:57 AM
INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES:
1) Sensitive issues such as anti-gay, military, religion and political issues, etc. are not allowed anywhere on the server
2) Yuri hate messages
3) Infringing on a person or a group's equality - gender, class, race, etc.
4) Straight hentai materials, futanari and shota, including sending/sharing of it is not allowed. Shota in #shounen-ai is allowed if everyone is fully clothed and not depicted in a sexual position

NO ADVERTISING:
1) Posting a link or statement that is not related to the server and whose purpose is to direct people to another server is not allowed, unless approved by Kohai, and if you would like to share a personal video, stream or account (YouTube, Twitch, etc.), please ask for approval from Kohai as well
2) Trying to use the server as a tool to advertise sites, goods, services, etc.(edited)
Suracis - Today at 2:57 AM
I'm not sure why we'd add squid to this conversation. We asked him to join for a different reason.
Unless of course, you prefer him to be here
Danare - Today at 2:57 AM
MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS:
1) Do not create multiple accounts. This includes family/friends sharing the same computer or on the same IP.
2) All multiple accounts are treated as impersonation of another person, cheating, and various purposes not approved by this server
3) MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES: Do not impersonate as someone or pretending to be someone you are not - to cheat feelings of people, making false announcements or do something that's not acceptable by this server. This is a reminder on what you should not do and if it's a personal issue,  please handle it outside of the server. Remember: don't trust anyone entirely over the Internet
Vailyer - Today at 2:58 AM
Nah you can add him after we've done talking
Danare - Today at 2:58 AM
NSFW:
1) #general, #shounen-ai, #artistalley, and #nutsnbolts are for SFW content ONLY. Even insinuating at something NSFW will not be tolerated moving forward. Writing a message and then deleting it will still count as a violation.
2) Please take advantage of the NSFW channels if you're going to engage in such conversations(edited)
BE SMART:
1) Ask clarifying questions if you don't understand something. Intelligent messages usually give a good image of yourself and earns respect of other users
2) Help whenever you can, even if you are not a Kohai (Moderator) or Shitagi (Staff). 
3) We have to be a little strict now to keep it safe, fun, and a better place for everyone. Please do not look at us as a scary bunch! We are a crazy and fun bunch!(edited)
Warning/Ban Appeals:
You may appeal to a Kohai (Moderator) through a direct message if you think there's a mistake for some reason. However, please note that if you really did do or say something that's against the rules, the warning and ban will stay even if you think you are right. This is a server that has its own set of rules and please do not compare it with another server; we are all different. Rules are there for a reason and don't repeat infractions as we usually give friendly reminders.

We never want to use them as a way to punish or embarrass you. Please treat warnings as a reminder and temporary ban as a break from the server to think things over. A permanent ban is only issued when we have decided that you keep on breaking the rules or refuse to listen to staff or if it's an age issue. If you still think you are right after everything and hates the staff's decisions, this server is not for you. If you really love the server, you will know what to do.(edited)
That's all.
Vailyer - Today at 3:01 AM
Okay doki
Thanks Danare
Danare - Today at 3:01 AM
No problem.
Akira | ??? - Today at 3:08 AM
With those rules in mind. Do you have any desire to return to the server? If rules can be followed we would like to get this whole mess behind us. This is no reason to ruin friendships or create ill will.
Vailyer - Today at 3:09 AM
I hadnt realised any friendships had been ruined D:
And um I still havent decided yet
Danare - Today at 3:10 AM
Also if you have any questions about rules, ask away. I or others can clear it up for you.
Vailyer - Today at 3:10 AM
I think the rules speak for themselves really
Still dont see what rules I broke
Danare - Today at 3:11 AM
Mmkay. I'll copy and paste what rules you broke in few secs
Vailyer - Today at 3:11 AM
Thaaanks
Danare - Today at 3:12 AM
For your orginal 7 day ban: 

1) #general, #shounen-ai, #artistalley, and #nutsnbolts are for SFW content ONLY. Even insinuating at something NSFW will not be tolerated moving forward. Writing a message and then deleting it will still count as a violation.
You were warned repeatedly according to logs and eventually it was decided that you were to be banned for 7 days due to this rule.
Vailyer - Today at 3:12 AM
I understood the week long ban
I dont agree with it
But yeah
Danare - Today at 3:13 AM
Alright. As for the permanent ban, hang on
For your current ban (which was upgraded from 7 day ban) you violated this rule:
2) Do not be rude to Kohai (Moderator) or Shitagi (Staff). If you have any problems [unfairness or complaints] with a staff member, do not take it upon yourself to resolve it by openly telling everyone. Please submit all issues to a Kohai (Moderator)
It's under
DISCORD ETIQUETTE:
Akira | ??? - Today at 3:16 AM
We realize that this was done in another server, but the comments were made where other YC members could see and so we felt the rule still stood.
Vailyer - Today at 3:16 AM
Is disagreeing the same as being rude ?
Akira | ??? - Today at 3:17 AM
You can disagree without being rude or talking badly about someone
I do it all the time.
Vailyer - Today at 3:17 AM
I fail to see where I was being rude to be honest
Apart from I was mean to kuro with panda and all the others
Suracis - Today at 3:19 AM
I'm just going to add my two cents since I need to go to bed... if you don't mind... haven't slept well recently and I need to open tomorrow
Vailyer - Today at 3:19 AM
I mean your two cents are the only ones which matter at the end of the day
Danare - Today at 3:19 AM
I need run, dinner. I will be back in 1-2 hours if you want to continue
Vailyer - Today at 3:19 AM
sure*
Akira | ??? - Today at 3:20 AM
Actually, Monty. Senpai does not make the sole decisons. I would like to clear that up right now.
So if you feel that this is all a personal vendetta and that dan and I are just here for show, I would like to set that straight.
Vailyer - Today at 3:20 AM
I dont think this is apersonal vendetta at all really
Well I think a grudge may have something to do with it, but not in a big way
Akira | ??? - Today at 3:23 AM
Basically, some of what caused the perma ban was comments related to trying to steal members (Which is silly, this is discord, not a competition), and comments about Suracis and how this is a grudge and discussion of things done in private.
Vailyer - Today at 3:24 AM
Im gunna need some more detail than that
Suracis - Today at 3:30 AM
Not sure why you might think it'd be a grudge. I would like to think that I have nothing against you, personally at least. Though, I think a grudge and vendetta is similar. 

Honestly, we'd just like to clear up any misunderstandings. If you disagree with what we did or how we operate, then I'd like to know that. You've been with us since Day 1 and regardless of how active you were, I think what you have to say should hold some weight. 

You asked me before what I'm looking for out of this. Well, I know I said I'm not looking for anything in particular but if I were to rephrase it, all I really want is something positive to come out of all this. Between you, Kano, and SdSquid as well as the server. I'm really just tired of the shit talking, name calling and immaturity because this is something I didn't sign up for. I don't think I, the server or its users deserve it, especially when nobody has approached any of us with any particular problem.

Right now, it's three of us and you in here. If you feel more comfortable having an open discussion at the time we agreed tomorrow with Kano and SdSquid, I am all for it. Just know that wurpess will also be a part of the conversation as he is involved with SdSquid's business.
Vailyer - Today at 3:32 AM
Yeah I have been pretty active throughout
Sigh im not going to speak for everyone on why they dont like the way the server is being run but a tl;dr from what I can tell is just a lot of people are sick of how silly its getting.
And no its fine
I dont mind being in here
its pretty much with squid and that lot anyway
Im talking with everyone involved
Which is a lot of people x3
we're just missing Kano, you can catch up with him tomorrow if you want but he basically told me he thought it was dumb and he wouldnt be rejoining. But he may change his mind
Suracis - Today at 3:37 AM
Fair enough. I think from a logical standpoint, if you don't like the server, then why stay? Especially when all the hate seems to be directed at me personally? You guys can have your own server and simply leave us out of it.
Vailyer - Today at 3:38 AM
Just because I think it is dumb doesnt mean I wanted to leave
And the "hate" as you call it. Is directed to you spesifically because you are YC
Suracis - Today at 3:40 AM
I suppose saying that I represent YC makes sense
But if you thought something was dumb and weren't going to say anything, wouldn't have all the anger just built up over time? Causing you to leave at some point anyway?(edited)
Vailyer - Today at 3:41 AM
Not nessesarily thats a pretty big presumtion
Suracis - Today at 3:41 AM
It's a logical presumption
One does not stay in an environment they don't like
Vailyer - Today at 3:42 AM
It depends if the amount they dislike it outweighs the inconvenience of leaving
its not binary
Suracis - Today at 3:43 AM
That's true to some extent. Either way, if we move past this point, there's still the fact that there were plans made to harm the server. Or at least, it was being said in that manner.
Vailyer - Today at 3:43 AM
Like what ?
Suracis - Today at 3:44 AM
Perhaps harm is not the best term I could have used.
Trying to take people away from us, having people choose sides or make an opinion. Potentially alternate accounts. I don't know. Either way, talking about that stuff bothers me.
Even if you weren't going to do it.
Vailyer - Today at 3:46 AM
I mean people can be on more than one
Ive never told anyone to leave your server
Unless you call having another yaoi server breaking the rules x3
Suracis - Today at 3:47 AM
There are a ton of yaoi servers out there. Why would I think that?
And yes, people can be on more than one server. People do it all the time. Either way, if you don't mind, I'd like to continue this tomorrow.
Vailyer - Today at 3:48 AM
Cant they continue without you ?
I mean what is there really else to discuss
Suracis - Today at 3:48 AM
They could. @Akira | ???, @Danare.
I'm going to bed. Sorry for leaving you guys.
Vailyer - Today at 3:49 AM
Like its basically just if I follow the rules I can come back right ?
Thats the vibe I was getting
Akira | ??? - Today at 3:50 AM
If you agree to follow the rules, don't bad mouth the kohai and staff then it would be considered. We enjoy having you as part of our community.
Vailyer - Today at 3:53 AM
Eh yeah sure id rejoin, probably not be very active. But some of my friends are in there and its super inconvenient to have to pm.
Ill follow the rules
Vailyer - Today at 4:06 AM
Sooo whats happening?
Akira | ??? - Today at 4:08 AM
Well, as we do not make decisons alone, We will give you an answer tomorrow after all the mods have had time to come to a majority vote.
If that is an agreeable time frame for you?
Vailyer - Today at 4:09 AM
Uhm I dont get what you mean
Is it an agreeable time from for you give to me an answer .. tomorrow?
What are the alternatives? xD
And I mean Akira if youre doing a majority vote..
Akira | ??? - Today at 4:15 AM
Yes, tomorrow. we are doing Majority vote and right now I'm the only voting member present. Suracis has gone to bed, Aay is asleep, and Danare is currently unavailable.
Vailyer - Today at 4:15 AM
Ah I was just a little confused
Akira | ??? - Today at 4:18 AM
No worries! I want to make sure there is no confusion so ask as many questions as you need.
Vailyer - Today at 4:19 AM
Well if you dont mind can I stay in here when you talk to KaNo, unless he has a problem with it
Akira | ??? - Today at 4:20 AM
I have no problem with that. This was originally going to be a group discussion anyway.
Vailyer - Today at 4:21 AM
Neat